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Post  Tinsnips2 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:44 pm

Just thought I would put a few things down about shows etc in Australia as I think we sort of take it for granted things are the same everywhere but they arent !

Firstly Dachshunds are in the Hound Group (Group 4 ) and are divided into the 6 varieties. All get to compete at group level once they win their breed. Dogs must be registered to compete and this is done prior to 3 months of age (unless special circumstances ) and the WHOLE litter must be registered by the breeder : to be a breeder you must be a member of the Canine Control of your State ( and they are all under the control of the Australian National Kennel Club ) there is no other registery. A prefix is appled for and you must pay to register it and then every single puppy bred by yourself will carry that prefix (NO other person can use it or have your prefix in any part of their dogs name ) There are two different classes of registration : Main register (to breed or show ) limited register ( for pets only ) Once a dog is registered with a name that name cannot be used for any other dog :: eg: I could never Register another Tinsnips Miss Piggy as I have already had one !

There are two types of shows at breed group or All breed level : Open shows (Usually trainee judges , no champions and no points awarded towards a championship ) and Championship Shows . Entries average $15.00 a dog. Average entry at a small Championship show in Vic (Different in every State ) is 600 and a big show is in the 1000. Dachshunds compete against their own variety and sex and age firstly : average classes are :
Baby Puppy (3 months to 6 months cannot compete for Challenge ) Minor puppy : 6 - 9 months : Puppy : 6 - 12 months ; Junior 9 - 18 months, Intermediate : 18 months - 3 years , Australian Bred : 6 months and upward ; Open 6 months and upward.
Winners from Minor upwards then compete against each other for Challenge (dogs firstly then bitches )
Ch winner is picked then the 2nd in the class comes in for Reserve Ch. this is repeated for the bitches (NOTE : Champions and Grand Champions compete in the normal classes against the untitled dogs ) The two Challenge winners then compete for Best of Breed : the Reserve of the winner then competes against the other for runner up Best of Breed (it is possible that the best two males beat all the bitches ) they then run off the age groups for best of each age group and they the winners go against the other hounds in the continual knock out system.

Points are awarded as follows : if only dog the judge MAY award you a challenge so long as they are prepared to sign that you are worthy of being a champ. Miniimum of 6 points then a point for each other dog of same sex you beat up to 25 points max.
Dog and bitch Challenge winners compete then for Best of breed : this is where it gets confusing for some :: for instance : IF there are two of each sex the challenge would be 7 points for each sex :: BUT the best of breed winner (say it is the dog ) will actually end up with 9 points for beating the bitches as well as the other dog.
To become a Champion you must accumulate 100 points. to become a Grand Champ you must have an All breeds Best In Show and 1000 points made up of at least 4 x 25 points. This virtually makes it impossible now to get a Grand Champion particularily in the smaller less PC dogs :: for instance ::IF I dragged Dolli around and accumulated 1000 points :: unless she won two more 25 point challenges and a Best in Show all breeds she would never be a Grand Chmp:: YET she has had back to back Speciality wins against 280 odd dachshunds !!!!

Anyway :: as far as the shows go : generally the judge allocated to do the group does the entire group : Numbers are sent to us prior to the show (OH and entries close 4 weeks prior to the show ::NO online entries all snail mail ) and we are not told when we will be on : so we figure out how many before us and arrive based on that. No camping generally at shows :: no one in Aussie has an RV vehicle (except maybe some versions of it for the very very rich people ) Most dogs are transported in cars or dog floats and owner breeder handling is the go. Very very few people actually get paid to handle ( and those that do do not advertise the fact ) We all help each other :: most shows are outside although we have two permanent indoor venues :: there are no set apart grooming areas :: we all bring umbrellas or canopies :: trolleys etc and just sit around and socialise.

OK will leave it at that for now :: thought it might give you a little insight to the way things are done here :: any questions ask away!
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Post  Tinsnips2 on Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:35 pm

Disappointed no replies on this :: thought it might be of interest for you guys :: there are a lot of differences in our shows etc and thought it might be a conversation starter :: gonna sulk now ! fall apart fall apart
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Post  Admin on Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:35 am

Awww..... console ..when I start showing and attending shows here regularly, I will share foshizzle

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Post  alaskanlowrider on Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:59 am

I am still trying to get it all down myself.....We have 5 shows here well 6 if you include the International one and they are all pretty small for dachshunds: January in Anchorage (45 minutes away) - this is the smallest since it seems to fall the same weekend Washington state has their big show every year and many fly there to get titles faster, March in Fairbanks (6 hours away), June in Anchorage (45 minutes away), July in Soldotna (5 hours away) - this one is 3 back to back shows, September in Palmer (15 minutes away) - this is our international show, November in Palmer (15 minutes away)....up here, we judge distance by time since all of our major roads are highways its the norm to go 65-70 mph when traveling so the above distanced times are based on 65 mph.

Due to budget I am only able to go to the local ones in Anchorage and Palmer - I am considering doing the Soldotna one this next year as one of my cousins just bought a house there. The Fairbanks show is out of the question as my kids are in school even if I had the "extra" money for gas and hotel...... Our shows are 35 - 40 per day per dog and with only 3-5 dachshunds being entered for each show its very slow going but I am having a lot of fun and making friends in the process. I do have plans entering 2 maybe 3 dachshunds in the local shows this next year so it will help get the breed counts up a bit but not really enough to make a huge difference unless a couple others do the same thing but most are focusing on one or two of their dogs and flying down states for the bigger shows.

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Post  Rhodach on Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:31 pm

Here too the dachsies are classed as 6 different breeds[2 sizes in 3 coats]

A Junior Warrant will be issued on receipt of an application from the registered owner at the time of
qualification, in respect of a dog that has obtained 25 points between the ages of 6 and 18 months. A
minimum of three points must be won at Championship Shows where Challenge Certificates for the
breed are on offer and a minimum of 3 points won at Open Shows or Championship Shows where
Challenge Certificates are not offered for the breed. The scale of points is as follows:
1 Three points for each First Prize awarded in a Breed Class at a Championship Show where
Challenge Certificates were on offer for the breed.
2 One point for each First Prize awarded in a Breed Class at a Championship Show where Challenge
Certificates were not offered for the breed, or at an Open Show.
3 One point for the award of Best of Breed at an Open Show. Only to be claimed if no Junior Warrant
Points were gained by that dog by winning a Breed Class or Classes.
4 One point for the award of Best Puppy in Breed at an Open Show (effective from 1st January 2011).
Only to be claimed if no qualifying Junior Warrant points were gained by that dog by winning a
Breed Class or Classes at that show and only to be claimed if the dog awarded Best Opposite Sex
Puppy has also gained one or more points having won a Breed Class or Classes at that show.
5 Junior Warrant points cannot be claimed from classes or for awards with less than three dogs of the
breed present. In assessing the number of dogs present in each class, exhibitors may count a dog as
having been present in a class provided it was entered in that class and was present in its first class
for the breed at that Show.
6 Only one point can be claimed where a dog has been declared both Best Puppy in Breed and Best
of Breed.
7 Junior Warrant holders will be awarded a Stud Book Number.
8 The title “JW” may be used after the name of the dog on Show entries and in catalogues.

To achieve Champ status you need to win 3 CC's given by 3 different judges and one has to be awarded after the pup is 12 months old. Not all shows will have CC's in every breed, the KC decides which do depending on numbers entered in previous years, their are judges who can or can't give CC's depending on their past experience of judging.

I like the fact that pups are over a year old before "finishing" as the pup is much more mature by then and a good pup at 6 months may not be later and visa versa. Many breeders here won't " bring out " a pup till it is older, others can't wait till the pup is 6 months old and has them entered into future shows literally from whelping.
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Post  Tinsnips2 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:03 pm

Interesting Rhona Smile thanks for posting : very hard for you to make up a champ there too : what with the politics :: I have been watching a really nice bitch on FB who has had over 60 BOB's at open ? shows : yet cant finish : others that are not as good but with more influential handlers are Champs :: GRRRR at politics and stupid judges who are influenced by the wrong end of the lead !
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Post  Rhodach on Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:56 pm

Yes there are too many " facey " judges. I know of many good quality dachsies who have 2CC's and umpteen reserve CC's but can't get that final one needed to make the dog up.
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Post  NaeKota on Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:33 pm

Tinsnips2 wrote:Interesting Rhona Smile thanks for posting : very hard for you to make up a champ there too : what with the politics :: I have been watching a really nice bitch on FB who has had over 60 BOB's at open ? shows : yet cant finish : others that are not as good but with more influential handlers are Champs :: GRRRR at politics and stupid judges who are influenced by the wrong end of the lead !

Well no one enters open shows so this could be why se has so many lol!
I dont mind doing them here n there.. depending on the judge.. lol!

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Post  Rhodach on Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:30 pm

I just wanted to update my previous post to say 2 mini longs of friends of mine have been made up to Champ in the last few weeks.

Anne [affix Charpurdy]that I went to Crufts with in 2010 and was gobsmacked at getting a first in a very large class of female mini longs that day, then a few weeks later got her first ever CC and she is a home bred girl, in the mean time she got another CC and several RCC's but was waiting for that final CC, she did it in style at the Lancs and Cheshire Dachshund Club show, she won her class,then best in breed and finally best in show,wish I had been there to see the expression on her face.

And few weeks previously Maureen[affix Findowrie] got a long awaited 3rd CC with her male mini long dachsie and the same week he became a sire for the first time. Both of these dogs share the same sire but from different dams.

At a recent show they had a party with 2 cakes with pics of the dogs on,too nice to eat.
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Post  Tinsnips2 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:13 pm

Wow Rhona :: just shows that with a good dog and perserverance you can do it !
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