My color page:)

You are correct. The liver nose is bb, which is chocolate. Liam is a chocolate dog that only has one or no copies of the gene for points, meaning that the only place he has chocolate in his coat is in any shading. Liam, bred to a chocolate/tan bitch will produce ONLY chocolate/tan and liver nosed reds. He has no copy of B (dominant black) or he would have a black nose.

That is what I thought..I thought I was loosing my mind! ROFL...I have been really trying to learn and I was about to think I was back at square one! LOL

Bright Star wrote:The base coat, or color of the pigmentaion, eye rims, nose, mouth, nails, whiskers, eyebrows are a separate gene from the coat color. There are only 2 base coats, B-Blake and b_ Brown/chocolate in oou breed. There is a gene modifier calle D-dilute that turns these two colors to grey and isabella. All dogs have one of these 4 base coat colors/I am trying to be simplistic here for your site unles they are "ee" which would make them self-colored amd the black or broen/chcolate would not show

These 4 colors have are separate fom the coat colors. A perfect example is CH Lian is why I mentioned him earlier. He is a chocoalte by base coat, but a red by coat color

You can not have a black base on a chocolate dog or a black pointed dog,

Boy, that is wrong in all sorts of ways. There are two types of PIGMENT in dogs. One is eumelanin, which is what we refer to as the base color (black and choco), and the other is pheomelanin, which is where the red and cream come from. D series dilute ONLY affects eumelanin (black and chocolate) and chinchilla dilution affects pheomelanin (turning red to cream). A pointed dog shows both eumelanin (black or chocolate, or the diluted versions of these) in their coat and "leathers" (nose, nails, pads), as well as pheomelanin (in the points). A non-pointed dog only shows eumelanin in shading and leathers. The remainder of the dogs is pheomelanin, either red or cream depending on if they have chinchilla dilution or not.

A liver nosed red or cream occurs when the pup gets chocolate (b) from BOTH parents, but either one or no copies of points. Stetson must carry for chocolate to produce liver nosed puppies, but since he doesn't carry for points, you never get chocolate/cream or chocolate/tan puppies from him.

I thought the choc based dachsies were due to only getting choc from one side of the pedigree because if they had choc on both sides they would be full chocolate not based.

I read a critique earlier where the judge was warning about poorly pigmented reds in the ring and keeping reds and chocs apart, Ruth Lockett Walters[Ralines] wrote an article saying the same thing some years back which appearred in all the dachsie club news letters that year.

I saw my first UK bred choc cream earlier[Abydachs affix] unfortunately the nose was very pale,the choc wasn't as dark as it could be either, this seems to have been ignored in the ring as it has already got 1 CC, she will need to be bred back to a bl/cream to get the pigment corrected in the next generation.

Rhodach wrote:I thought the choc based dachsies were due to only getting choc from one side of the pedigree because if they had choc on both sides they would be full chocolate not based.

I read a critique earlier where the judge was warning about poorly pigmented reds in the ring and keeping reds and chocs apart, Ruth Lockett Walters[Ralines] wrote an article saying the same thing some years back which appearred in all the dachsie club news letters that year.

I saw my first UK bred choc cream earlier[Abydachs affix] unfortunately the nose was very pale,the choc wasn't as dark as it could be either, this seems to have been ignored in the ring as it has already got 1 CC, she will need to be bred back to a bl/cream to get the pigment corrected in the next generation.

I have always been taught that the chocolate based color comes from two dachshunds that either carry chocolate or one that is a chocolate and is bred to a chocolate carrier. I knew two chocolate based/nosed dachshunds produced only chocolate based/nosed offspring.
As far as the chocolate carriers, I learned this years ago when I bred a black nosed red to a choc/tan male (stupid I know) but I got a chocolate based red puppy and reviewed my dam's pedigree and learned low and behold she carried heavily for chocolate .

Rhodach wrote:I thought the choc based dachsies were due to only getting choc from one side of the pedigree because if they had choc on both sides they would be full chocolate not based.

I read a critique earlier where the judge was warning about poorly pigmented reds in the ring and keeping reds and chocs apart, Ruth Lockett Walters[Ralines] wrote an article saying the same thing some years back which appearred in all the dachsie club news letters that year.

I saw my first UK bred choc cream earlier[Abydachs affix] unfortunately the nose was very pale,the choc wasn't as dark as it could be either, this seems to have been ignored in the ring as it has already got 1 CC, she will need to be bred back to a bl/cream to get the pigment corrected in the next generation.

Unfortunately, that isn't the case, and you'll need to be careful, since your new girl carries for chocolate. Bred to Lincoln, she'll have a 50% chance of giving her chocolate gene to the puppies, so you'll need to be doubly careful to breed any resulting red pups to dogs with NO chocolate in their pedigree.

by Proud Lake Dachshunds on Sun 12 Feb 2012 - 22:29
Unfortunately, that isn't the case, and you'll need to be careful, since your new girl carries for chocolate. Bred to Lincoln, she'll have a 50% chance of giving her chocolate gene to the puppies, so you'll need to be doubly careful to breed any resulting red pups to dogs with NO chocolate in their pedigree.

I agree. I took a gamble both times I bred Celeste to Liam. The first litter I got two black nosed reds and they were so nice and one was show quality so I took a gamble and did a repeat. I was hoping that quite possibly the chocolate gene had missed her since both puppies were black nosed.., second time around she had two chocolate dapples, a blk/tan & blk/cream. I was very lucky I didn't get any choc nosed reds:) It was a gamble.

Second thought, she also had a blk/tan dapple male that passed and she DID in fact have another puppy that was born a day later and she was a choc nosed red dapple..I completely forgot. That puppy passed

Oops, time for me to go back to the research. I was typing from memory earlier. Not a wise thing with multiple sclerosis, I guess Sorry for the confusion. So much for my BS and MS in the medical field.

Deb

Jenn how are you getting on with your task?

I am having a horrible time getting the page to publish..where I am on dial up and the page is so full, it is taking forever to get each thing published..almost there though:)

Could someone with broadband not update your website for you using your info or could you use someone elses broadband connection temporarily.

I could never go back to Dial-Up it was so slow, hours to download or upload.

Probably not, because when I do a webpage and save it, until it is published it is only ssaved into my computer. So even if they logged in on my account, the only thing that would show up is what published and what is on their computers..make sense? I am going to go ahead and call phone company and see if they can get high speed back up and running...I have been lazy about getting it since we moved, but I miss it now and need it.

Admin wrote:
Piebald pattern: One or both of the parents either have to be a piebald or carry for it in order to produce a piebald.

BOTH have to be or carry piebald to produce it.

Should be great when you get it all done, looking
forward to it!

That's actually what I meant, just that one could carry and one could actually be a piebald..but your wording sounds better, so I am going to switch it when I get Homestead downloaded on my new computer...and HIGH speed comes in a few days ....YAY